Wesley & Rusty Turner's Ancestors & Clans

                               _TURNER__ sept of Clan Lamont
                   _TURNER____|
                  |           |_________
         _Ronnie__|
        | TURNER  |            _________
        |         |___________|
Wesley__|                     |_________
TURNER  |
b. July |                                _Harvey McLEROY = McILROY = Clan MacGillivray
1992    |                     _William__|
        |                    | McLEROY  |________EDWARDS Lennox District tartan
        |          _Charles__|
Rusty___|         | McLEROY  |
TURNER  |         |          |           _Norman WALLACE Clan Wallace
b. June |         |          |_Myrtice__|
1994    |         |            WALLACE  |_Mae DUNCAN Clan Duncan aka Clan Donnachaidh
        |_Cathy___|
          Wheeler |                      _Clarence MARTIN Martin tartan sept of Clan Cameron & Clan Donald
                  |           _John C.__|
                  |          | MARTIN   |_Nancy Dollie STEPP
                  |_Brenda___|
                    MARTIN   |           _William V. COWAN Cowan tartan sept of Clan Colquhoun & Clan MacDougall
                             |_Oma L.___|
                               COWAN    |_Naomi SINGLETON Edinburgh District tartan

I used Tartan for Me! 1986 edition by Philip D. Smith Jr. Ph.D. to assign surnames to clans, septs and district tartans.

Turner
Turner is a sept of Clan Lamont.  This is the clan I think Wesley & Rusty should start wrestling for because it is their male line & it has no champions & it gives us more variety in clans represented.  We should divide up into different clans so we can view clans as teams -- the ethnicities for which we compete.

Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black says the surname Turner is "from the occupation of 'turner,' a lathe-worker, once a familiar & skilled occupation."

The following is surely not a part of the origin of Wesley & Rusty's surname, but it is interesting to note that Turner is also one of the 2 types of wrestlers in Schwingen (the wrestling of Switzerland).  The other type is Sennen.  Turners wrestle in a white shirt & paints & Sennen wear "light blue milk shirts and dark grey farmer trousers" as shown & as stated.

Cowan & Martin
I checked The Highlander magazine 1991 Directory Issue & Collins Scottish Clan & Family Encyclopedia 1994 to see if Cowan & Martin had had a chief & found no evidence of there being or having been a chief so labeled Cowan & Martin as septs. I added the word "tartan" after Cowan & Martin because these 2 septs have tartans of their own. It is fairly unusual for septs to have their own tartan. Normally descendants of septs wear the tartan of the clan, but in these 2 cases since the sept has a tartan, I would think the descendants of those septs would wear the tartan of the sept, if there is a supply of tartan to be had.

Edwards & Singleton
Edwards & Singleton were never allied to or associated with a clan but were in the districts specified so people of those surnames wear the tartans of those districts.

Stepp
STEPP was not listed, so I guess it is English, Welsh, or German.

McLeroy
As to McLeroy, one of my (J. W. Green's) great great great grandfathers is Giles McElroy born 1808, who lived & died in Gwinnett Co. GA, but was carried back home to Hebron Church in Oconee (previously part of Clarke) Co. GA. I will therefore go in more research on this name, for my own sake.

House of Tartan says that McLeroy is:
Clan MACGILLIVRAY
Clan GRANT
Clan CHATTAN
District: Ayrshire
District: GALLOWAY

Wesley & Rusty's grandfather pronounces McLeroy as McElroy.  Our most recent common ancestor is Reubin McElroy.  Earlier in America, McElroy was spelled McIlroy.  Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black says on page xxxvii that "In Gaeldom, after the introduction of Christianity, a child born on a saint's day was baptized as the mael (later maol), i.e. the 'bald' or 'tonsured' servant or devotee of that saint.  Hence the large number of old Gaelic personal names of this class compounded with the name of Jesus (Maol Iosa), Mary (Maol Moire or Maol Muire), Michael (Maol Micheil), Patrick (Maol Phadruig), etc.  Mael in early times was confused with mál 'chief, prince,' from Old Celtic Maglos ...  After the twelfth century maol was gradually displaced by gille 'servant, lad,' as in Gill' Iosa, Gille Bride, Gille Micheil, Gille Phadruig, etc."  Page xlii says that Mcilichrist was Mac Gille Chriosd meaning MacGillechrist.

Surnames of Scotland also says on page xxxvii that the names Roy & Gilroy come from the Gaelic ruadh meaning red.  Mc is an abbreviation of Mac meaning son of.

So, McIlroy means son of the servant to Red (which I'd think was a red headed landed person, such as a chief, chieftan, etc.).

I have been unable to find anywhere where it states the "vray" of MacGillivray is roy (red).  But since Smith puts MacIlroy in Clan MacGillivray, I thought it was a safe bet to say that McIlroy is a variant spelling of MacGillivray & that "ray" is "roy" in MacGillivray.

But, checking Black page 502 where he has his article on MacGillivray, he says the Gaelic was MacGille-bhrath.  He does not say why & I do not see why that would be true unless bhrath is pronounced "vray", which considering the odd spellings of Gaelic, maybe that is the case.

Anyway Black says MacGillivray means "'son of the servant of judgment' (doom), from brath, 'judgment.'"  Sounds like a good name for one of those TV wrestlers.  "The name originally may have been Maolbhrath, the Maol- later being displaced by Gille-, as in other instances.  The Macgillivrays were an old Argyllshire clan or sept, but they do not appear in the 1467 MS.  They are however, early found in association with the Macleans in Mull, which probably was their original home."  I recommend anyone descended from this surname read the rest of what Black has to say about the name to see the implication of the various spellings of the name at the dates cited & in the locations given.  Smith says MacIlroy is allied to Clan MacGillivray & Clan Grant.  The connection to Grant seems thin & MacGillivray is not the locale of the Grants.  Black does make one mention of a Grant & MacGillivary being involved together in 1646 and that may be the basis for putting MacIlroys in Clan Grant.  The reason for needing to involve another clan may be due to Black noting the McGillivrays' abscence from the 1467 manuscript & therefore saying MacGillivary is not a clan & needs to be allied to some clan.  But I would think from reading Black, it would be more reasonable to ally them to the Macleans in Mull than to Clan Grant.

The 1991 Highlander directory issue says the chiefship of MacGillivray of Dunmaghlas went dormant (vacant) in 1672.  Black says "Macgillivrays took a prominent part in the rebellion of '45 [1745], and their chief is said to have been killed in the battle of Culloden, beside the Well of the Dead."  So one wonders who the rightful heir to the chiefship of the MacGillivarys is.  Clans without chiefs (e.g. Clan MacGillivary) are called broken clans.

The book Scots Kith & Kin clarifys why this clan is sometimes put in Clan Grant.  Scots Kith & Kin says under Clan MacGillivray "Originally an Argyllshire clan and one of the great MacDonald group, the MacGillivrays were involved in the latter's defeat in 1222 by Alexander II.  Thereafter, a branch in Morven came under protection of the MacLeans of Mull, but about 1263 the chief section removed to Macintosh country and joined Clan Chattan under that leadership."  "Dunmaglas" & "MacGillivray" are labeled on Bartholomew's Clan Map of Scotland of Old in Clan MacKintosh's land at Mackintosh's west border which is Mackintosh's border with Clan Fraser.  5.7 miles west of Dunmaglas is the east shore of Loch Ness which is Clan Fraser's west border.  Across Loch Ness on Ness' west shore is Clan Grant.  So Grant is nearby.  Clan Grant also has a big holding of land bordering Clan Mackintosh on Mackintoshes east side.  So Grant is close, but I do not know specifically why MacGillivray is in Clan Grant.

However, at Culloden with Prince Charlie it was their chief MacGillivray of Dunmaglass who most gallantly led the Macintoshes.  The MacInnes branch of the Morvern MacGillivarys appear as a separte clan."

  1. Clan MacGillivray at Great Hall of the Clans Website
    1. Georgema@nbnet.nb.ca Clan MacGillivray Director Eastern Canada:
      George MacGillivray / 241 Dover Street / Campbellton, NB E3N 3L5
      Tel 506-759-7966
      Contact taken from http://www.tartans.com/clans/MacGillivray/society/society.html
  2. Clan MacGillivray at Electric Scotland Website
  3. Clan MacGillivray at Clans and Tartans of Scotland Website

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