To: Diarmid Campbell - One of the Old names associated with the
Malcolm/MacCallum family of Poltalloch is "Corbarron".
As in ... Robert Bain's Clans & Tartans of
Scotland says "Lands in Craignish & on the banks of
Loch Avich were granted by Duncan Campbell of Lochow, in
1414, to Reginald MacCallum of Corbarron, with the office
of hereditary constable of the castles of Lochaffy & Craignish.
Corbarron was bequeathed by the last of the family to Zachary
MacCallum of Poltalloch in the 17th century."
It is important to find out the source of the statement. There must
presumably be a surviving charter somewhere for the author to make such
a statement.
I have not been able to find anything in the Poltalloch family history,
whose earliest entry is in the mid 1500ds and so far have not found
mention of the bequest to Zachary MacCallum in the 17th century - although
Zachary is mentioned."This Laird (Zachary) was born not much later than
1635". The Poltalloch lands were made over to him in 1659. He was made
Commisary Depute of Argyll in 1686. He died march 1687-April 1688. No
mention of the Corbarron grant so it may have turned up after Paton wrote
the family history.
Sorry not to be more helpful.
He made some suggestions as to persons to whom I could write if we wnat
to pursue this.
On 30 Jan 97 18:58:37 EST "Oscar D. McCollum" <75667.547@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:
N.B.
1) Bain says MacDonald won while Argent Castle says we won.
2) Both Zachs of Poltalloch were in the 1600s & some of us
could thus have already left for Ireland or America.
3) Bain seems to say Corbarron was our 1st chief & it was not
until after 1647 that Poltalloch became our chief. The later
Zach was the 1st Poltalloch chief. I am reading a lot into
Bain. Read it for yourself to decide. Maybe I am wrong.
I see it says "the Clan Calum is said to have been originally
designated as of Ariskeodnish" (Kilmartin). Since Kilmartin
is near Poltalloch, maybe Poltalloch is older in spite of Bain
mentioning that in 1414 Corbarron got the good stuff & thus
seems the more prominent of the 2. If we knew where Corbarron
was & if Corbarron was farther from Kilmartin than Old
Poltalloch is then maybe Poltalloch could be inferred to be
the original strain & chief. At least in the 1400s we were
all in this part of Scotland & knew the Corbarrons & if the
Poltallochs existed we knew them also. This having a
Corbarron & a Poltalloch reminds me of the 3 brothers story
of the settling of Kintyre with McCallums which Doug has
for us in the history on the web. BTW, if Corbarron is
the richer, then he might be chief even tho Poltalloch might
be the older line. Agreed?
4) The Poltalloch Writs on Doug's web pages seem to include
the Corbarron Papers. As I remember it the Corbarron papers
make up the oldest of the Poltalloch writs. The Corbarron
papers are in the Poltalloch writs because of Zach Poltalloch
inheriting Corbarron. Agreed?
5) I am not an expert -- just dreaming of what my ancestors
probably knew very well.
6) I brought Zach up because the current Argent Castle
brought Zach up in a new light & because the word Gocamgo
looked so weird & I don't think I'd ever heard it mentioned.
Also I am interested in carving out some Campbell land for
us on Bart's c.1600 map. We have no claim to Duntrune so
have to look elsewhere for our holdings of the 1600s when
we were all in Scotland. I hope all of this is clear.
--
James W Green III of Winnsboro CSA
writes:
>I have read with interest all the latest mail on the 'old country'.
>I am going to England and Scotland in June of this year and plan to
>spend a day in the vicinity of Duntrune. I have been wondering if
>it is possible to get close to see the castle or get inside, but
>perhaps the most interesting and relavent place would be to visit
>old Poltalloch.
My understanding from Eleanor's, Righton's, & others posts to the
list, that you have to find a time that suits our chief. If you
have a mission like making a video of McCallum/Malcolm places for
the clan society, I would think he would try to make time for he
or his wife to show you around. I hear that he is very busy.
Since everything is in ruins except the castle & chapel and the
castle is older than Poltalloch, I would think it is important to
video Duntrune. I did not mean to over stress Old Poltalloch. BTW,
I wonder if anyone knows where a loch was called Poltal. What does
Poltal mean? I assume it is Gaelic. Dun (as in Duntrune & Dunadd)
is hill fort? BTW, be sure to visit Dunadd. It is the capital of
the original "Scot"land (Dalriada) & is right among Loch Crinan,
Duntrune, & Kilmartin. See the link Doug has on our clan's web
site (our clan's web site: http://www.sni.net/~dougm) on
"Kilmartin House Home Page". Especially study "Local
Archaeological Sites (Map-based)" which is at
http://www.kht.org.uk/kilmartin/kilsites.html. It is a beautiful
map. Unfortunately it does not show either Poltalloch. I wonder
if the Poltallochs are on private property & permission is required
to visit them. Craignish Castle is also not shown but probably not
in the area that Kilmartin House is assigned to cover. It is of
relevance to McCallum according to Robert Bain's Clans & Tartans of
Scotland as: "Lands of Craignish ... were granted by Sir Duncan
Campbell of Lochow, in 1414 to Reginald MacCallum of Corbarron,
with the office of hereditary constable of the castles of ...
Craignish." Actually comparing the said Kilmartin House map to OS
1:50K map, I see on the Kilmartin House map that Loch Craignish is
labeled & there is a cross on the west side of Loch Craignish. That
cross marks the church or chapel at Craignish Castle. The castle
ruins are just west of the church.
I think someone going to see the MacCallum places in Argyll
should invest in a Ordnance Survey (OS) 1:50K map, specifically
Sheet 55 Lochgilphead & study it & the Kilmartin House map
together. I hear one can buy OS maps by calling Omni Resources
at 800-742-2677. During Xmas 1995, I phoned OS in Southampton
England & they said 1) I cannot buy maps directly from them
unless I am a dealer & 2) I am forbidden to put any part of
their maps on the web. I am steamed at OS. They are shooting
themselves in the foot by not allowing us to advertize their maps
on the web. A computer map cannot compete with a paper map in
resolution plus area covered -- would take gigs -- too much for
the internet to send for web browsing or ftp -- would timeout,
IMHO. OS map fragments would only be an enticement for people to
buy OS maps. Anyone interested in price shopping for OS maps,
let me know.
>My Malcolm ancestors came from Aberdeenshire in about 1774, but may
>have come from Poltalloch area earlier on.
Good luck. It would be interesting to know how far back Malcolms
have been outside Argyll & where they were located first.
>Any suggestions?
I highly recommend attending the games before you go to Scotland
and looking at the books that the vendors have at the games for
example, Robert Bain's Clans & Tartans of Scotland (under MacCallum
& under Malcolm), Collins Scottish Clan & Family Encyclopedia
(under Malcolm) (In skimming that, I see Poltalloch was chartered
to McCallum in 1562 by Duncan Campbell & by 1642 we were up to
4th laird of Poltalloch. That does not make Poltalloch very old.
I wish we could find Corbarron which goes to prior to 1414. Since
the Corbarron line went extinct & passed to Poltalloch, I would
think it would give our chief prominence to style himself as
"of Corbarron & Poltalloch", IMHO. Another book to look at is
Geo. Black's Surnames of Scotland. Under Malcolm the last sentence
is "As a surname its use is comparatively modern. ... Mallcollum
1692." Black is hard for me to fully understand. It makes me
want to grab a detailed atlas and interline comments. It makes
me want to look up fitz to see why fitz Maucolum is not a surname.
I thought it meant bastard, but can't find it in the Collegiate
Dictionary. Ah, found it in a bigger Webster. Means son of &
sometimes bastard & used with given names & surnames. But, if
you buy these books then you will be on your way to having a
display for doing a clan tent in your area for Malcolm/McCallum.
>Robert Elayer
>Las Vegas, NV
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From: Kinloch McCollum
To: McCollum List
Date: 24 Feb 97 17:06:00 +0100
Subject: Corbarron or Lochaffy?
James Green-Perhaps, when I ask about Poltalloch, I should also ask
Diarmid about these other two geographical references:
"The first written refernce to MacCallums is in 1414 when Sir Duncan
Campbell granted lands in Craignish to Reginal MacCallum of CORBARRON,
with the offices of heritary constable of the castles of LOCHAFFY and
Craignish".
Have we ever identified Corbarron or Lochaffy?
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: clan-mccallum@csn.org
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:19:51 PST
Subject: Re: Poltalloch?
On 24 Feb 97 17:01:55 +0100 Kinloch McCollum <kmccollum@lsijax.com> writes:
>James Green-I saw your comments about - What is the location of the
>Loch named Poltal.
>
>I will ask Diarmid Campbell, but first, do we know exactly where "old"
>Poltalloch was, or should I ask him that question also?
I think we know where it is. It is covered in those volumes that
Eleanor told us of. I intended to buy them but seem to never do
anything but talk & forget. I wish I could find my xeroxes.
Diarmid talked about visiting it. I guess it is time to cover the
subject again. I think this info should be in the clan displays
at the games.
>Perhaps I should make sure that I understand; I assume that "new" =
>Poltalloch is the abandoned 1859 mansion that sits on the hill behind
>Duntrune,
Yes.
>whereas, "old" Poltalloch are the lands that were granted to
>Maol Chaluim in 1510 - "located across Loch Craignish from the lands
>of Craignish Castle".
I agree with the location, but Collins Scot.Clans & Fam. Ency. says
"Donald McGillespie Vich O'Challum, recieved a charter of the lands
of Poltalloch in the parish of Kilmartin in Argyll from Duncan
Campbell of Duntrune in May 1562."
Robert Bain's Clans & Tartan of Scotland in the Malcolm article says:
"The MacCallums were in Poltalloch previous to 1562 ..."
Where'd you get the date 1510?
>To: McCollum List
>Date: 24 Feb 97 17:06:00 +0100
>Subject: Corbarron or Lochaffy?
>
>James Green-Perhaps, when I ask about Poltalloch, I should also ask
>Diarmid about these other two geographical references:
Sure. I think it was covered in previous email posted by me from
Diarmid, but it's been long enough for someone else to cover it &
refresh memories & tell the new subscribers.
>"The first written refernce to MacCallums is in 1414 when Sir Duncan
>Campbell granted lands in Craignish to Reginal MacCallum of CORBARRON,
>with the offices of heritary constable of the castles of LOCHAFFY and
>Craignish".
>
>Have we ever identified Corbarron or Lochaffy?
No, not to my knowledge (or memory).
I think Diarmid said Lochow was Loch Awe? Lochow is mentioned in
Bain's book.
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From: Kinloch McCollum
To: Campbell List
Cc: McCollum List
Date: 25 Feb 97 16:27:33 +0100
Subject: MacCallum sites
Diarmid - Given your familiarity with the Kilmartin area, could you help
please help us identify the location of three MacCallum sites-Poltalloch,
Corbarron, and Lochaffy:
1. Collins Scot. Clans & Fam. Ency. says "Donald McGillespie Vich
O'Challum, recieved a charter of the lands of Poltalloch in the parish of
Kilmartin in Argyll from Duncan Campbell of Duntrune in May 1562."
Another source states Poltalloch was"located across Loch Craignish from
the lands of Craignish Castle".
2 and 3. "The first written refernce to MacCallums is in 1414 when Sir
Duncan Campbell granted lands in Craignish to Reginald MacCallum of
Corbarron, with the offices of heritary constable of the castles of
Lochaffy and Craignish".
Thanks
Kinloch mcCollum/Orange Park, Florida
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: clan-mccallum@csn.net
Cc: madillon@interaccess.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:31:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Duntrune architecture
...
>> From: Mary Ann Dillon
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 12:13 AM
>> To: clan-mccallum@csn.net
>> Subject: Poltallach
>>
>> I'm interested in any research that has been done on
>> Duntrune. I visited there in October and am going back
>> in April. I would also like to know why the Malcolm's
>> changed their name. How do I see all of the messages
>> and answers from other members? Anxious to hear from
>> you, mary ann
I am following up on Kinloch's posts of Diarmid Campbell's
"Notes on Some Scottish... Castles"
It seems that everything we have, we owe to Campbells.
Duntrune was theirs. Robert Bain's Clans & Tartans of
Scotland says "Lands in Craignish & on the banks of
Loch Avich were granted by Duncan Campbell of Lochow, in
1414, to Reginald MacCallum of Corbarron, with the office
of hereditary constable of the castles of Lochaffy & Craignish.
Corbarron was bequeathed by the last of the family to Zachary
MacCallum of Poltalloch in the 17th century."
If we trust that to be letter perfect, then maybe we did NOT
get Corbarron or Poltalloch from the Campbells. Also this
book says "Clan Calum is said to have been originally designated
as of Ariskeodnish." I'm told that that is Kilmartin. So we
owned Kilmartin, then Corbarron then Poltalloch. Things slip
thru my fingers & out of my mind, but I think no one has found
Corbarron. As for Poltalloch, there is a new one & an old one.
Old Poltalloch & Kilmartin are our oldest known places, IMHO,
so the places that are truly McCallum places so THE places to
see, IMHO.
The new one was destroyed in the 1950s when we took the roof
off to avoid taxes. I think you want to visit the old one.
You can see both Poltallochs on my map on Doug's web site & click
on the word Duntrune & see a photo of Duntrune that Don Malcolm
took.
To find it, go to our official web pages:
http://www.sni.net/~dougm/
Click on Clan MacCallum/Malcolm Society
click on "Map of Area Around Duntrune Castle"
Next, instead of clicking on
"Map of Area Around Duntrune Castle"
click on "Duntrune Castle" & see same photo as above &
a picture that our webmaster Doug took Aug 1994.
Doug,
You say:
"The Castle at twilight (I think)
I don't know the origin of this picture. I'll give credit if someone
tells me where it came from."
I think I scanned this & provided it on an ftp site to you long ago.
It was from the little picture set that President Don Malcolm used
to sell. I do not think it was dusk. Rather it was poor scanning
settings of inexperienced me. We should redo it. There were about
10 or 12 photos in the set.
Next instead of clicking on Duntrune, click on
Kilmartin House Home Page
Boy! 150 archeological sites on their map to click on, each
with photos & description -- some with 6 photos.
We had the floor plans of old Poltalloch on the web. The
originals were xeroxes I got on interlibrary loan which Eleanor
provided the citation for ordering. I just found them in Doug's
archives in the pictures subdirectory as 175c.tif & Polt_stead.tif.
Maybe Doug or I can get time to convert them to gif or jpg & put
them on the web. They are in poor condition -- Poor scan. I am
intrigued by old Poltalloch because that is where our chiefs
lived until they built new Poltalloch or did they also live in
Duntrune prior to building New Poltalloch? Well at least Old
Poltalloch was occupied prior to 1791 when the chief bought
Duntrune, so Old Poltalloch has not been vacant long -- just over
200 years at most. Some of those ruins on the map have been
vacant many more centuries. I am speaking of the Duns (hill
forts). Old Poltalloch is so recent that it is merely on the
archeology map of Kilmartin House Museum but with NO link --
not of archeological interest & New Poltalloch is not on the map
at all!
Doug, I used ftp (bin) to get d4c300*.tif.Z & d4c300*.tif2.Z from
your site & unzipped them on a Unix box (bigbird) then used ftp
to bring them to my PC but Photo Shop Pro 4 says there is an
error in them & cannot open them. Help!
While at Bigbird I found 3 more photos of Duntrune. I will
put them on my web site as soon as I get time & you can copy
them to your site.
I bet others have photos. I do not have a scanner. There
were other maps by me in the maps subdirectory of the archives on
our Doug's web site. Some showed clan boundaries, some showed
parish boundaries & one showed lots of detail around Duntrune.
Doug, I listened to your RowanTree & then to mine, back & forth
& I decided I am tone deaf. I think mine is not a mixture of
songs but rather a Rowan Tree that they make fancy towards the
end. Other opinions would be appreciated. BTW, I tried to
sing with your Rowan tree music & words & decided I don't know
what notes to put what words onto.
Mary Ann, if you want to email Diarmid Campbell, I am sure one
of us can come up with his address. He has even visited old
Poltalloch.
I guess you heard that you have to apply by mail to the chief
and if he has time he may be able to give you a tour of his
home -- the Campbell's Duntrune Castle.
I hope you get to see both Poltalloch ruins & take photos &
make sense of these floor plans. Maybe you can make a sketch
of the layout.
I wanted to see Kilmartin Castle tonight but the photo is
broken that is on the Kilmartin House map. Several of the
photos are broken on that "Kilmartin House" museum archeological
web site.
Mary Ann, I guess you saw the tape on Ghosts of Scotland
showing Duntrune?
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From: "McCollum, Kinloch"
To: "'jameswgreen@juno.com'"
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:44:11 -0500
Subject: RE: Duntrune architecture
Good notes, James.
I'll ask Diarmid Campbell isf he knows where Corbarron is located.
From: jameswgreen@juno.com (James W. Green III)
To: madillon@interaccess.com
Cc: clan-mccallum@csn.org
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:40:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Duntrune architecture
On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:42:07 -0600
Mary Ann Dillon writes:
>Got your messages, thanks much. I don't have time to
>figure it all out right now. Just a quick note to tell
>you that we are staying in the cottage behind Duntrune
>the last two weeks of April. We visited it last October
>and did the whole Kilmartin Valley at that time.
How long were you in the valley?
>I fell in love with it. And the Museum is just so
>spectacular. This time we plan to spend time at Old
>Poltalloch and will, of course, take many pictures.
>Eleanor just sent me part of an article on it which
>included the layout and picture of the farm buidling. I
>would like to know which book it came from.
As I recall it is something like Soc. of Antiquities &
is volumes of books that cost $300. I do not know if I
can find the title, but expect Eleanor will post it to the
list so all have it. One vol. covered our part of
Scotland. Were there pictures as well as drawings in the
book? I bet the book is cited in the Museum sources on
the Museum web pages. I bet they can tell us the name of
many books that mention Old Poltalloch.
>We will spend time at all of the ancient sites that we
>missed last time and also visit them once again. We
>loved Temple Wood and Dunadd but have found many more in
>our readings since we've been back. I will spend some
>time organizing my papers and get back to you with all of
>the many questions that I have.
To me?! I'm not even close to an expert. You probably
know as much as I. What I've learned I've learned at the
games (& on the list). Don't you think you would do
better to ask 100 McCallum/Malcolm Genealogist/Historians
(i.e. the list)? Please email the list. Sometimes I do
not bother to answer email. I get more than I can answer.
>One is, where did the McCallum/Malcolms live prior
>to Old Poltollach? Thanks for your help. mary ann
From the sentence I quoted to you: "Corbarron was
bequeathed by the last of the family to Zach. of
Poltalloch", I visualize that the Poltallochs were a cadet
branch of the family. Perhaps the Poltallochs were the
senior cadet branch or the branch that aided the last
Corbarron the most. When you ask "where did the
McCallum/Malcolms live prior to Old Poltalloch", are we
thinking about the Poltallochs -- they lived at old
Poltalloch. The Corbarrons at Corbarron, where ever that
was. And me, their peasants of the same name, we worked
in their house or fields living in the serf cabins .
What do you all think? Or at Kilmartin. That is how I
visualize it. I wish the masters had recorded the names &
dates of their subjects in their domain. But, you recall
the Bible said something against censuses that retarded
taking of censuses. I wonder why the pre-reformation
church Catholic) did not record more of marriages,
christenings, & burials. Do you all visualize our
McCallum ancestors coming with the Irish in 500 AD &
pushing the natives out who built the Iron Age & Stone Age
folks out? Or maybe the older ethnic group stayed &
worked for us until we & they were asimulated so we are
part invader & part invaded & can claim the older
antiquities as our ancestral creations also. See, anyone
can day dream about what might have been the case. In
the museum I read something last night about Picts being
at Dunadd before the Scots invaded about 500 AD.
I hope you got subscribed. Kinloch wrote 2 letters to
the list today on this subject but only one also went
also to you. I have a letter to the server ready to
send to see if you have joined us. It is free of cost &
the volume is very low. I'll know if you subscribed in
a few hours at my next mail pickup after this mailing.
Sounds like you have a lot of photos & knowledge to
share & more knowledge soon. I have only been to the
area via cyberspace, but after spending several hours in
the Museum last night I feel like I've walked through the
pastures & feel like I have been to the physical museum.
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From: MOscarMcc@cs.com
To: Clan-McCallum@village.org
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:04:40 EDT
Subject: John McCollum 1658-1760, NJ
Last May in Scotland I visited briefly with Murdo MacDonald, Archivist of
Argyll & Bute Council, at Lochgilphead. I gave him a copy of the
Clan database CD-ROM and a copy of the paper by Joel McCollum. He
said it is almost impossible to trace persons from this early period as
there are almost no pertinent records. He studied the information I
gave him and later wrote me that he believes this John came from Corran,
originally Corbarron, in the Parish of Craignish (though Joel said
John was from ":Cobin.") Murdo believes this is a corruption of
Corran. He wrote that "Accounts of the Malcolm of Poltalloch family
seem to link Corran/Corbarron with the MacCallums in the later
Middle Ages." Craignish Parish is just west of Loch Craignish, about
3 1/2 miles northwest of Kilmartin. This is shown on the inch-to-a
mile reprint of the 1896 Ordinance Survey map, Sheet 36. Joel's
great granddaughter, Josie Woodbridge, told me she understands John came
from Coligan Farm, 4 miles south of Oban. I am inclinded to accept
Murdo's opinion until better information surfaces.
Oscar McCollum
From: James W Green III
To: MOscarMcc@cs.com
Cc: JamesWGreen@juno.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: John McCollum 1658-1760, NJ
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:04:40 EDT
MOscarMcc@cs.com wrote Clan-McCallum@village.org:
>Last May in Scotland I visited briefly with Murdo
>MacDonald, Archivist of Argyll & Bute Council, at
>Lochgilphead. I gave him a copy of the Clan
>database CD-ROM and a copy of the paper by Joel
>McCollum.
When did Joel live? Below you mention his great
granddaughter Josie Woodbridge as if she is an
adult making me think Joel is no longer with us to
consult. What would have been his source for
saying John was from ":Cobin."? Surely he's not
old enough to have heard a family legend on John
born c. 1658? "Cobin." is an abbreviation? Why is
it preceded by a colon?
>He said it is almost impossible to trace persons
>from this early period as there are almost no
>pertinent records. He studied the information I
>gave him and later wrote me that he believes this
>John came from Corran, originally Corbarron, in
>the Parish of Craignish
I see the large place called Corran on the west
side of Loch Linnhe at the Narrows (of said Loch).
The Narrows are just NW of Ballachueish & west of
Loch Leven. Corran looks like it is less than a
mile up the coast from Clovulin which is on the
Hammond map of Scotland. Hammond's 1989 atlas said
Clovulin had 315 people, so Corran is smaller.
But you said Corran was in Craignish and that
Corran is about 22 miles straight NE of Oban, so
not in Craignish. Looking in Craignish I find
Corranmore in my 3 miles to the inch atlas. The
Ordnance Survey Lochgilphead Sheet 55 1:50,000 1st
series 1979 map also shows Corranmore. Shall I
scan it & put it on the web so you can say if that
is the same spot as on your map? It shows a big
house there in a curve in the road about half way
down the hill toward the sea. Barrfad is written
just north & could be the this big house or the
tiny black dot to the north nearer the coast &
on the south edge of a creek flowing into the
ocean. "A picture [scan] is worth a thousand
words."
>(though Joel said John was from ":Cobin.") Murdo
>believes this is a corruption of Corran.
You mean he believes Corran is a corruption of
Corbarron? He knows Corbarron is the old name?
>He wrote that "Accounts of the Malcolm of
>Poltalloch family seem to link Corran/Corbarron
>with the MacCallums in the later Middle Ages."
The Potalloch Writs contain papers showing that
the McCallum chiefs 1st lived at Corbarron & then
died off & chiefship passed to the Poltallochs?
>Craignish Parish is just west of Loch Craignish,
>about 3 1/2 miles northwest of Kilmartin. This is
>shown on the inch-to-a mile reprint of the 1896
>Ordinance Survey map, Sheet 36.
I measure 6 km NW from the Inn in Kilmartin to the
big house in Corranmore. I compute 6 km to be
about 3.73 miles. That sounds like we are talking
about the same place.
>Joel's great granddaughter, Josie Woodbridge,
>told me she understands John came from Coligan
>Farm, 4 miles south of Oban.
I see that too in my 3 miles to the inch atlas. I
say this in case others of you have an atlas or map
of such scale or better or in case you all want it
on the web.
>I am inclinded to accept Murdo's
>
>opinion until better information surfaces.
>Oscar McCollum
I believe the Poltallochs inherited Corbarron when
they became chief. Since Corbarron is the old
chief's appellation and he was senior to the
Poltallochs, then if the Poltallochs give Corbarron
to a cadet (2nd son) of their family, that cadet
gets the senior line's name -- Corbarron. Maybe
that is why they changed the name to Corran or
tried to forget the location of Corbarron so they
could sell it or give it without upstaging themselves?
Oscar, I added your letter to the collection of
emails on Corbarron at:
http://genealogy.org/~green/McCallum/corbarron.html
and
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/McCallum/corbarron.html
OK? You are about the 1st to give a theory on the
location. Diarmid Campbell suggested Coriebui. In
looking for Diarmid's Coriebui, I just found
another Corran on the 1:50K OS map. The map is
gridded into 1 km square squares of the national
grid. This Corran seems to be 1.5 km south of
Old Poltalloch by 14 km east of Old Poltalloch. So
this Corran is about 11 km east of Kilmartin by 3/4
km north of Kilmartin. My xerox is getting old &
this farm is under tape. It looks like it is
Carron. I see it is also in the 3 mile atlas & is
Carron.
I started to send this to the list & then made the
mistake with Carron, so will send it just to you.
You may answer any part or parts via the list.
--
James W. Green III/285 Agnew Rd/Winnsboro SC 29180 CSA
home: 803-635-9236 http://www.Genealogy.Org/~green
& http://millennium.fortunecity.com/byker/362/
From: MOscarMcc@cs.com
To: Clan-McCallum@village.org
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:33:18 EDT
Subject: John McCollum (1658-1760)
James Green, et al,
To answer your questions. Joel McCollum, great grandson of "Old
John" was born 5 July 1791, died 13 May 1868 in Hillside, MI. He
was a founder of Lockport, NY.(near Buffalo). I believe he wrote
his paper on John shortly before his death.
Josie Woodbridge is about 80 and lives in Lockport in the old McCollum
stone mansion. Joel's grandfather was David, son of John, & Joel's
father was Robert (1765-c.1835). Joel probably got his information
from his grandfather. Josie has many unorganized records and I am
urging her to find the appropriate records for me.
Cobin, Joel's spelling of the village. The colon was my typo.
This Corran/Corbarron is in Craignish Parish, about 3 1/2 miles NW
of Kilmartin. The Loch Linnhe Corran is a different place. I
did not say Corran is 22 miles NE of Oban. Colagan Farm is c.4
miles S of Oban. I believe Corranmore is the Corran Murdo
mentioned. This is just across the Loch from Old Potalloch
House.
I have not seen the "Potalloch Writs" re. McCallums at Corbarron,
but would like to. I have photos I took of Colagan Farm, where
McCallum Chiefs lived at some time.
OK to put my letter on the web page. I believe Murdo knows
Carron/Corbarron are the same place. This seems to give us
something more likely to work on.
Oscar McCollum
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