B/31637      Mr James W. Green III      22nd March, 1973.
SCOTS ANCESTRY RESEARCH SOCIETY
20 YORK PLACE, EDINBURGH 1, SCOTLAND

REPORT

on


The Ancestry of Samuel Marjoribanks who was born in
Thornhill, Kincardine, Perthshire
in 1770.


Prior to 1855 registrations of Births, Deaths and Marriages in Scotland were voluntarily recorded in the old parochial registers (unindexed) of each parish. The old parochial registers of Morton, Dumfriesshire, and those of Kincardine, Perthshire (both contain the place name Thornhill) were accordingly searched between 1754 and 1774 for the birth of Samuel Marjoriebanks, which was found to have been recorded in the old parochial registers of Kincardine as follows:-
"December 19th 1770. Samuel son to John Marjori- banks and Helen Murdoch, Thornhill."
Other children found to have been recorded to the above couple in the old parochial registers of Kincardine were:- Isobel born 28:11:1773 in Thornhill William " 14:11:1775 " " Mary " 28:12:1777 " " Janet " 20: 2:1780 " " John " 27: 1:1782 " " Thomas " 24: 4:1785 " " Catherine " 11:11:1787 " "
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                           The old parochial registers of Kincardine
were next searched for the marriage of John Marjoribanks and Helen
Murdoch, which was found to have been recorded as follows:-


"25th November 1769 John Marjorybanks (sic)
in this parish and Helen Murdoch in Kilmadock
listed for proclamation and were married."


                           This marriage was also found to have been
recorded in the old parochial registers of Kilmadock:-


"December 16th 1769  John Marjoribanks in
parish of Kincardine and Helen Murdoch in
this parish declared their purpose of
marriage."


                           The old parochial registers of Kincardine
were then searched for the birth of John Marjoribanks and the following
entries were found:-

1)          "May 4th 1743 John and Samuel twins to James
            Marjoribanks and Mart (Margaret) Stewart, wit-
            nesses John and Samuel Marjorybanks (sic)."

            Also:
           
            James   born  23: 8:1728
            Mary      "   20: 7:1730
            Thomas    "    6: 8:1732
            Anna      "   24:11:1734
            Janet     "   24:11:1736
            Alexander "   19:10:1738
            Christon  "    5: 3:1741

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                           The marriage of James Marjoribanks and
Margaret Stewart was found to have been recorded in the old parochial
registers of Kincardine thus:-


"January 1st 1727  James Marjorybanks (sic),
parothner (sic) and Mart. Stewart in Kild (sic)
(i.e. Kilmadock) marryed 21st February yeafter."



2)          "17th April 1743 John son to Samuel Marjorybanks 
            (sic) and Mary Wright.  Witnesses James Marjory-
            banks and Alexander Gilfillon."

            Also:
           
            Thomas  born   6: 6:1727
            Katri     "    3: 8:1728
            John      "   24: 8:1729 (presumably died young)
            Alexander "   13:12:1730 (presumably died young)
            James     "   17: 5:1732
            Janet     "   14: 6:1733
            Mary      "   28: 8:1734
            Isobel    "   21: 0:1735
            Sarah     "   27:12:1736
            Alexander "   26: 3:1738
            Margaret  "    7:10:1739



                           The marriage of Samuel Marjoribanks and
Mary Wright was found to have been recorded in the old parochial
registered of Kindardine thus:-



"July 16th 1726  Samuel Marjorybanks (sic)
parothner and Mary Wright in Kyppen married
13th August."



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                           This marriage was also found recorded
in the old parochial registers of Kippen as follows:-


"17th July 1726 Samuel Marjorybanks (sic)
Kincard.  Mary Wright, Kippen married August
18."


                           As it appeared possible that James and
Samuel Marjoribanks might have been brothers,and research was
continued on this assuption.

                           The old parochial registers of Kincardine
were next searched from their commencement in 1691 to 1708 for the
births of James and Samuel Marjoribanks but the only Marjoribanks
birth found to have been recorded during these years was:-


"8th March 1705 John son to Thomas Marjorybanks
(sic) and Janet Robson  Witnesses James Robson
and James Govan."


                           As both James and Samuel Marjoribanks
called sons Thomas, probably after their father, it was thought
possible that the above John might have been their younger brother
and that the family might have moved into the parish of Kincardine
circa 1704.   The old parochial registers of the neighbouring parishes
of Kincardine, which are Kilmadock (records blank February 1692 to
March 1694, and January 1699 to November 1701), Kippen (records start
1700), Gargunnock (records blank May 1698 to January 1700), St. Ninians
Lecropt (no extant records prior to 1720), and Port of Menteith, 
were accordingly searched, were possible, from 1695 to 1705 for the
marriage of, and births of earlier children to, Thomas Marjoribanks
and Janet Robson, but no relevant entries were found in the extant
portions of the records and the investigation was accordingly here
concluded.

Patricia M. Buxendine
Director.
The Following Chart is Per the Above Report 
                        
                           _James b.23 Aug 1728 Kincardine
                          |_Mary b.20 Jul 1730 Kincardine
James Marjoribanks______  |_Thomas b.6 Aug 1732 Kincardine
of Kincardine           | |_Anna b.24 Nov 1734 Kincardine
m.21 Feb 1728           |_|_Janet b.24 Nov 1736 Kincardine
in Kincardine           | |_Alexander b.19 Oct 1738 Kincardine
                        | |_Christon b.5 Mar 1741 Kincardine
Mart (Margaret) Stewart_| |_Samuel b.4 May 1743 Kincardine
of Kilmadock?             |_John b.4 May 1743____  
                                                 |  _Samuel b.19 Dec 1770 Thornhill
                            Helen MURDOCH________| |_Isobel b.28 Nov 1773 Thornhill
                            of Kilmadock         | |_William b.14 Nov 1775 Thornhill
                            lp.25 Nov 1769       |_|_Mary b.28 Dec 1777 Thornhill
                            in Kincardine        | |_Janet b.20 Feb 1780 Thornhill
                            dc.16 Dec 1769       | |_John b.27 Jan 1782 Thornhill
                            in Kilmadock         | |_Thomas b.24 Apr 1785 Thornhill
                                                 | |_Catherine b.11 Nov 1787 Thornhill
                           _John b.17 Apr 1743___|
                          |_Thomas b.6 Jun 1727 Kincardine
Samuel Marjorybanks_____  |_Katri b.3 Aug 1728 Kincardine
of Kincardine           | |_John b.24 Aug 1729  Kincardine (presumably died young)
m.13 Aug 1726 in Kippen | |_Alexander b.13 Dec 1730 Kincardine (presumably died young)
per Kincardine          |_|_James b.17 May 1732 Kincardine
m.18 Aug 1726           | |_Janet b.14 Jun 1733 Kincardine
per Kippen              | |_Mary b.28 Aug 1734 Kincardine
                        | |_Isobel b.21 ? 1735 Kincardine
Mary Wright of Kippen___| |_Sarah b.27 Dec 1736 Kincardine
                          |_Alexander b.26 Mar 1738 Kincardine
                          |_Margaret b.7 Oct 1739 Kincardine
Questions (to be continued) 
1) Page 2 says the parochial registers of Kincardine say "5th November 1769 
John Marjorybanks (sic) in this parish and Helen Murdoch in Kilmadock 
listed for proclamation and were married."
 a) Did they each go to their own church on Sunday 5 Nov 1769 & ask the 
    preacher or clerk to list them for proclamation?  
 b) If so, how did the Kincardine cleric know on Sunday 5 Nov 1769 what 
    Helen was doing in Kilmadock that day?  Did he take John's word for it 
    that that was what Helen was doing in her parish that day?
 c) Is listing them for proclamation telling the preacher to proclaim their 
    banns next Sunday or some future Sunday?
 d) Does that mean announcing from the pulpit during the announcements part 
    of the worship service that they will be married?
 e) Does "and were married" mean were married later, after December 16th 
    1769?  (I think the banns were actually announced 16 Dec 1769 per the 
    following entry.)

2) Page 2 says the parochial registers of Kilmadock say "December 16th 1769 
John Marjoribanks in parish of Kincardine and Helen Murdoch in this parish 
declared their purpose of marriage."
 a) Dec 16 1769 is a Saturday.  Is this a misreading of the parish 
    register? 
 b) How does this "declaring their purpose" differ from "listed for 
    proclamation"?  Is getting listed where they tell the preacher to 
    announce the banns & declaring is where the announcement of intention 
    to marry (banns?) is read to the congregation?  There is 1 month & 11 
    days between these 2 events.
 c) Is John really at the Kincardine parish church on this Saturday at the 
    same time Helen is at the Kilmadock parish church on this Saturday?
 d) If so, how did the Kilmadock cleric know on Saturday 16 Dec 1769 what 
    John was doing in Kincardine that day?  Did he take Helen's word for it 
    that that was what John was doing in her parish that day?
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