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(Relations of James Mutter (RN), by Marriage)JOHN MARJORYBANKS was a Dyer at Thornhill, and must have had an Extensive Business for the times and locality in which he lived. But apparently not content with his prosperous business, He must try an additional one, namely that of Distiller. This did not turn out as well as that, He originally followed, for the new one ruined his financial affairs, and so completely, that he could not face his creditors. He therefore left Thornhill, and Scotland and proceeded to the State of South Carolina, where a Brother named Samuel (I believe) was settled as a Planter. He had arranged with his wife that their eldest Boy, SAMUEL MAJORYBANKS should be sent after him as soon as possible. JOHN MARJORYBANKS arrived at his destination, but apparently a broken spirited and a broken hearted man, for He died soon after. The time of his leaving Thornhill is easily fixed, namely about 1787, for He left before his youngest Daughter CATHERINE MAJORYBANKS was born. His son SAMUEL MAJORYBANKS followed when 12 years of age. I do not know how he went, or in whose care, but the fact remains, the boy went, whether his Father was dead or not on his arrival I cannot say, but he succeeded to his uncle Samuel's property, if not to the property of two Uncles, for I was told by my Aunt Agnes that there was also an Uncle named EDWARD MAJORYBANKS (although my Mother never heard of him). But Aunt Agnes was constantly with her mother JANET MARJORYBANKS and as letters up to my young days were passing between families, she would know far more than my Mother who left home for her Aunt, Mrs Smith, at Chalkyside, Dalkeith, early in life. MRS. MARJORYBANKS (that is HELEN MURDOCH) was left behind - the Creditors of her |
husband seized and sold all his property. The poor wife had to leave her comfortable house and effects.
But the Creditors through kindness, or some other reason gave her a small house which had been used
as a Barn (most likely a Malting house). To this humble home the widow (for she was a widow before
her Husband's affairs were settled) and family removed. This cottage had a fine large garden (upwards
of half an acre)she kept two or three cows. There would be no difficulty about feeding them in Summer
at any rate, for the town of Thornhill has still rights of commonty? (at present about 30 acres). Here she
lived, died, bringing up a family respectably. Her youngest child constantly remained with her while the
elder member's of Family had to work their way in the world. There was one help HELEN
MURDOCH had, she had a sister named MARGERET MURDOCH, Deaf and Dumb and a Brother
named JOHN MURDOCH in Business as an Ironmonger (at all events in the Iron trade) in Glasgow.
JOHN MURDOCH, after he retired lived with relations named FOSTER at Thornhill and left all his
money to them. He allowed his sister Mrs MARJORYBANKS a sum for the maintenance of the
afflicted sister. My Mother, HELEN MOIR, tells me she was middling size and dark and very quiet.
Poor body she had met a good many trials. First the loss of her Husband then of her son, SAMUEL
MAJORYBANKS for He indeed was lost to her, and many other domestic afflictions, for she lost
other three sons, two in Trinidad, and one, her youngest Boy, came home to die. Her son SAMUEL
MARJORYBANKS does not seem to have been very kind, for I never heard of him sending any help
to his widowed Mother. Letters came pretty regular, as I said before, up to my time, those I saw were
written by one of Samuel's sons, and in it he was giving a description of his Father, Brothers, and
sisters, but it was long after HELEN MURDOCH, or MARJORYBANKS had passed away. The
Brothers were Planter's, Doctor's and Lawyer's and the writer was a Minister. He stated how many
slaves were on the estate and how many bales of cotton they sent of by waggon. The letters were
addressed to Thornhill and were sent East to Falkirk by CATHERINE MAJORYBANKS afterwards
Mrs. McEWAN. There was quite a bundle of letters. I remember reading an old one. It appeared to
be an answer to some enquiry about going to the States. The writer (I do not remember who it was)
said, at present it was not advisable to venture, as there was great danger of capture by the enemy. I
suppose this letter must have written while the States and our own Country were at war, most likely
about 1812 - 1814. These letters were lent to a Lady named RENNIE, a native of Falkirk and a great
Friend of my Grandmother's (HELEN MAJORYBANKS). She fell into difficulties through Law, and
died in Rose Street, Edinburgh. Her whole effects were sold, and very likely the old letters were
destroyed, so that I do not know what part of the State of Carolina, JOHN MAJORYBANKS went
to. But I feel sure that the family had curtailed their name to that of BANKS.
1.1 MARGERET MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date (about) 1771
Death Date (about) 1789
Death Place Thornhill, Parish of Kincardine, Co. Perth, Scotland
(Family Information)
1.2 SAMUEL MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date (about) 1773
Went to the State of South Carolina when twelve
year's old. Married and left a Family, who are
known simply by the name of BANKS.
Death Date (about) 1845
(Family Information)
1.3 WILLIAM MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date (about) 1774
Occupation Was trained a Millwright, at, or near to Thornhill.
About 1804 he went out to Trinidad, West Indies to
repair sugar machinery and as this not very long
after the capture of Island by the English a sugar
Plantation was easily acquired. But He did not live
long to manage it as He died of Yellow Fever.
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Death Date (about) 1809
(Family Information)
1.4 THOMAS MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date (about) 1777
Occupation He was also Trained as a Millwright and accompanied
his brother William to Trindad [Trinidad], and joined him in
Sugar Cane growing. But He also was cut of by
Yellow Fever.
Death Date (about) 1810
(Family Information)
About £100 came (or was rather) sent Home to the
widowed Mother.
1.5 MARY MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date (about) 1779
Spouse JOHN WALLACE
Children 2.1 ANN WALLACE
Birth Date 1806 (same year as my Mother, HELEN MOIR)
2.2 MARGERET WALLACE
Birth Date 1815 (same year as my Aunt Ann, now Mrs. Binnie)
2.3 DAVID WALLACE
Birth Date 1817
2.4 JOHN WALLACE
Birth Date 1820
(Information from My Mother, HELEN MOIR)
1.6 JANET MARJORYBANKS
Birth Date 1781
Birth Place Thornhill, Parish of Kincardine, Co. Perth, Scotland
Death Date 24th March 1842
Death Place Falkirk, Falkirk Parish, Perthshire, Scotland. Buried
in same grave site with her Husband in Falkirk Parish
Churchyard
Spouse JOHN MOIR, Son of THOMAS MOIR and his wife
MARGERET MORRISON, of Dykehead Farm, Cardross,
Parish of Port-of-Menteith, Perthshire
Birth Date 15th August 1777
Birth Place Cardross, Parish of Port-of-Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland
Children 3.1 HELEN MOIR
"Birth Date 10 May 1806
Birth Place Thornhill, Perth, Scotland
Death Date 27 May 1882
Death Place Dunoon, Dumbarton, Scotland
Marriage Date James Mutter, Dalkeith, Midlothian
and Helen Moir were
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not married
Children JAMES MUTTER (RN)
Son of JAMES MUTTER and HELEN MOIR
Birth Date 27 Jan 1833
Birth Place Falkirk, Stirlingshire,
Scotland
Death Date 31 July 1882
Death Place Dunoon, Dumbartonshire,
Scotland
Occupation An Engineer with the
Royal Navy
Spouse Catherine Hill
Marriage Date 1 February 1858
Children 5.1 (stillborn)
5.2 JAMES BOWMORE MUTTER
(1867 - 1925)
6.1 JAMES HILL MUTTER
(1905 -1997)
7.1 ROY JAMES MUTTER
(1932 - )
8.1 JAMES STEPHEN MUTTER
(1960 - )
9.1 SOHNIA KAUR MUTTER
9.2 EMILY KAUR MUTTER
8.2 KENNETH HILL MUTTER
(1961 - )
9.1 TARA-ALEXIA MUTTER
9.2 MAYA-NOEL MUTTER
8.3 CATHERINE ANNE MUTTER
(1967- )"
(Much later Family Information - 1999)
3.2 MARGERET MOIR
3.3 JANET MOIR
3.4 THOMAS MOIR
3.5 JOHN MOIR
3.6 ANN MOIR
3.7 JOHN MOIR
3.8 CATHERINE MOIR
3.9 AGNES MOIR
(Note, The Change of Spelling takes place this generation.)
I was at My Grandmother's funeral, and remember it well. But I have
cause to remember her while in life, for she was a Mother to me, she
was a little woman, very quiet, greatly loved by her Family, liked
by her neighbours, and respected by all. She was a Christian, living
and dying, a lesson to all around.
1.7 JOHN MARJORYBANKS
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Scotland The McEWAN Family removed from Thornhill, to Deanston as soon as their children were able to work for themselves, as Thornhill would be a very poor place for a family to succeed in. I have seen Mrs McEwan at Falkirk, a great little woman, so apparently the Daughters took after their Mother, HELEN MURDOCH. CATHERINE MARJORYBANKS, and her Husband JAMES McEWAN, Died at Deanston of Cholera, 1845 and were buried in Doune Churchyard. Most likely the Authorities would not allow their bodies to be taken to Thornhill Churchyard. Soon after Death of Parents, the Brothers and Sisters, left Deanston and Scotland for South Carolina to settle among their Mother's Friends. Before they left they sold the cottage given by JOHN MARJORYBANKS' Creditors to HELEN MURDOCH. It was bought by a Smith, who altered the Byre into a Smithy, and built another piece on to the west end to increase his dwelling. When the MOIR'S of Falkirk heard about the sale, they were displeased considering they had as good a claim to it as the McEWAN'S . But now that time has passed I do not think they had (no doubt in the eyes of the law they had, but so had MARY MARJORYBANKS (Mrs. WALLACE) or her children) for Mrs. McEWAN had been all along with her Mother and would require to work for her in her old age, besides the value of the cottage was not worth speaking about, so I think it was much the best plan for them to do, just sell and be done with it. I should have said that the McEWAN Family had kept up the Correspondence with their Cousins in South Carolina. I remember seeing WILLIAM McEWAN. He was a fine young man and at the time was employed in some wholesale Tea House in Glasgow. I have not heard anything about this family subsequent to their leaving Scotland, but it is just possible I may meet with some member yet, for we live in an age of Steam and to a successful man a trip to the old country is nothing very different indeed to the time JOHN MARJORYBANKS left his home to seek a new one, and only found a grave.
(Remarks) Coming from Port of Menteith or Callander, the first house on the left hand belonged at one time to John Marjorybanks. It is a very good two storied house, standing with its gable to road and facing south. There is a very large garden before it and at east end, two or three smaller houses face the road and enter from it, at back of house, or north side, down hill there is a small burn, and on the north side of burn, and close to it and the road, is a dipping well known as the Dyester's well, and the road passing Feu and leading to Main Street of Village is known as the Dyester's Loan. The Dye Houses stood alongside burn but have been swept away. To judge from class house John Marjorybanks must have been in a good position The Property belongs at present to a Mr. Campbell. The Feu immediately opposite the two storied house on the west side of road called Dyester's loan, is that which was given to Mrs. Marjorybanks, and faces north to a small road leading out of Dyester's loan. It is the first facing you as you come in from Callander (on the right hand) so that Mrs. Marjorybanks was never out of sight of her old home, as it is just across the road. I would like very much to trace this branch of the Marjorybanks further back, but at present I cannot see my way. My Mother and her sisters have only the one story and that is John their Grandfather, was an entire stranger to Thornhill and he had no other relations in the place and that he came from Bathgate. I went to Thornhill with this idea but I left it with others, for on searching the Church yard (which is a quoad Sacra Parish, that of Norrieston. It consists of certain portions of the quoad Civila Parishes of Port of Menteith, Kincardine and Kilmadock, disjoined quoad Sacra in 1652 by an Act of |
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Parliament (Scottish). The Church of Norrieston stands nearly in the
centre of the part detached from Kincardine, Norrieston and Thornhill
stand together, to the eye of a stranger, Norrieston is a part of
Thornhill village). Well in going through the church yard looking
for a stone marking the grave of Mrs. Marjorybanks, I found more
than one. The old woman who gave me the key pointed from her window
to a stone, where all the Marjorybanks were buried. On examining
it, I saw the following inscription viz.;
Died 1802 August 1st aged 68 years - Then again I found three stones erected to commemorate one family, and the principal one was as follows:
Elizabeth Marjoribanks, wife of Peter MacLaren of Middleton, The stones contained names of children and grandchildren, some of them bearing for a second name that of Marjoribanks. Then the old woman that gave me the key told me, that another lady of the name of Isabella Marjoribanks died some years since, she lived in a house belonging to her at the corner of the Main Street and Kippen road, that she left her house to a boy whom she had brought up, and that he sold it, that Isabella and Elizabeth were cousins and also that the only Marjoribanks left in the place was a young man names James and he was only a labouring man. That same evening I saw and spoke to James Marjoribanks but had no opportunity of private conversation (I was told all the Marjoribanks were relations). As may be supposed this rather upset my former ideas as to where John Marjoribanks came from. As it is a rare and singular name I could hardly conceive it possible that he was not related to those new names turned up in Thornhill. Since that time I have corresponded with the young man in Thornhill. He is not a good writer and as it appeared to be a trouble to him I have not got all I might. He states as follows: Andrew Marjorybanks, b (about) 1740, settled at Thornhill, Perthshire and left there, one son and one daughter, at any rate. James Marjoribanks (1st) born (about) 1785, married (about) 1812, Janet Lennore (?). James Marjoribanks disappeared from Thornhill in 1815 and has not been heard of since. He left at least one child named John Marjoribanks born 1815, died 1879, 10th June and is buried in same grave as Mrs. Ferguson (Ann Marjoribanks). Married Margaret Jenkins (?) (who is still alive). One son at present survives viz: James Marjoribanks, born (about) 1852, lives at Thornhill. As far as I know this is the only male member of family about Thornhill. 2nd, Isabella Marjoribanks (sister of the previous, James, who disappeared so strangely). Born at Thornhill (about) 1782, died 1857 and is buried in Marjorybanks grave at Thornhill. She was unmarried and when living possessed a house at comer of Main Street and Kippen road. (Information from her grand nephew, James Marjoribanks). When corresponding with James, the great grandson of Andrew, he stated that his ancestor, Andrew, came to Thornhill from the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. Now this is manifestly absurd as that Battle was fought 22nd June 1679. Now Andrew Marjoribanks would not be born before 1730 at the earliest and more likely not before 1750. This last date would make him 30 years old when he married. Although I said it was absurd that Andrew Marjoribanks could have been present at Bothwell Bridge, one of his ancestors might have been and retreated to Thornhill as a quiet place, or still later an ancestor might have been at Sherriffmuir which was fought on 13th November 1715, or what is still more likely the Father of Andrew and of John and the other Marjorybanks about Thornhill was out in 1745 and remained in Thornhill. If so, his family must have followed him. That is to say if John Marjorybanks was a brother of Andrew's, as Sherriffmuir is near Dumblane and that is no distance from Thornhill, it may have been from that fight a Marjoribanks came. If so this person would be the Grandfather of Andrew, and Andrew and John may have been cousins instead of brothers, and this appears the more likely since my relations never heard of their grandfather having any friend in Thornhill. James Marjoribanks, now living said in one of his letters that Ann Marjoribanks (wife of Daniel Ferguson) who died 1st of August 1802, was a cousin of his grandfather's, now this again I believe to be wrong. James Marjoribanks who disappeared from Thornhill would be born (about) 1785, and Ann |
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Marjoribanks was born in 1734, just a difference of 51 years.
She might have been a cousin of his great grandfather (or sister). I have now to speak of Elizabeth Marjoribanks whose tombstone I also saw in Thornhill churchyard (or rather Norrieston churchyard). I was told in Thornhill that she was a cousin of Isabella's, and that all the name were relations. James Marjoribanks writes me that she was a cousin of his grandfather and of his sister, Isabella. Now this shows there was another brother of Andrew's in Thornhill. I am afraid at present to venture an opinion, but one may suppose that Ann, John, Andrew and another brother were all in Thornhill together and were sons and daughters of man who was at Sherriffmuir, at least descended from him. Marjorybanks Family:
Elizabeth Marjoribanks, cousin of Isabella and James
Marjoribanks. Born (about) 1786, died 13th January
1826. Buried in Thornhill. Married (about) 1810 Peter
MacLaren, Laird of Middleton, near Thornhill (west from), born (about)
1780, died 19th March 1826, buried at Thornhill. Their
children as far as known to me:
Archilbald Graham MacLaren, died 16th May 1828
Jessie Marjoribanks MacLaren, died l0th May 1876
I am inclined to believe that the Father of Elizabeth, wife of Peter MacLaren, would be James since they had a son names James Marjoribanks, and as the name Marjoribanks is carded into the third generation it seems to have been much thought of. My Mother informs me there was an Archibald MacLaren and his wife from Thornhill who occupied the farm of Drumtroostrar(?) near Auchingeen(?) Farm occupied by my grandfather John Moir and his wife, Janet Marjoribanks. The MacLarens, husband and wife, were both full cousins of Janet Marjoribanks. This family went to America about 1812, but Archibald MacLaren died, and I suppose they were in the backwoods. As Mrs. MacLaren had to bury her husband with her own hands, she returned to Scotland and lived at Thornhill. If Archibald MacLaren was a brother of Peter MacLaren, then Peter and his wife, Elizabeth, would also be cousins. If so, there can be no doubt that John, Andrew, James and Ann were brother and sister. My mother also states, her mother, Janet Marjoribanks had a cousin who married ? Ferguson who lived at Airth Castle. This man came from Thornhill and I have little doubt but he was a son of Daniel Ferguson and Ann Marjoribanks and he it was would be the cousin instead of the wife. However, if spared I hope to have a general search at the Register House Edinburgh.
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Janet Doig(?) His wife The above James Murdock would be a Nephew of Helen Murdock (Mrs. Marjoribanks). The Tombstone, stands alongside of one erected by Daniel Ferguson to the memory of his wife Ann Marjorybanks which has a Cupid's head cut at top, according to old woman who kept keys of churchyard, all the Marjoribanks were buried here, and she was not likely to forget, as she played on grave when a girl and thought the Angel's head so beautiful.
Their Arms, are. On a chief Sa. A Coushion or.
Crest
Motto
By the Rev Thomas Marjoribanks, Minister of Lochmaben John Scott Moncrieff Esqr., Accountant To Christina Daughter of the late Alexander Marjoribanks, of Marjoribanks Mr. Marjoribanks of Camptown with his wife, daughter, and son were present at Hopetown House, at dinner given to, Tennants, on the Majority of the Earl of Hopetown, 28th Sept. 1881. At Lochmaben Manse on 6th Sept. 1842 Mrs. Marjoribanks of a son. Samuel Marjoribanks 7 Abbey Street, Carlisle, Cumberland. Lic. R. Coll. Surg Edin. 1834 (qualification) Registration - 17 Jan 1859 (Copied from Medical Register 1874)
The Hon. Edward Marjoribanks M.P. Son of .....
"... up to Kippen and then on to Thornhill where we looked in the cemetery. We found one with the Marjorybanks name on it. We went to John Marjorybanks house, that James Mutter RN mentioned in his book. Spoke to a Helen Johnson who gave us coffee and cookies. Roy left some of the papers with |
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