From: "James W. Green III"
Subject: Marbank, U of Alab., Scots Ancestry R.Soc.
To: GreenIII@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 2:31:05 EST
Re: Marbank, U of Alab., Scots Ancestry R.Soc.
Bob, I hope I did not offend you last night talking about a balanced
budget vs. hobby. I am glad that you are doing the newsletter & that
you can generally keep it so you don't go in the hole. The double
loss of time & money is bad. I should be more cost conscience, but
being single, I am just not much interested in making money. I have
tried to make up with you by sending you (& the group) the Scots
Ancestry RS Report.
Comparing the Report to page 34 of the M'banks Journal #2, the Journal
says that Thomas M'banks & Janet Robertson were in Kilmadock in the
late 1600's. The Report says Thomas M'banks & Janet Robson were found
having a baby in 1705 in Kincardine parish. What is your source for
the Journal info on this? Who checked the Kilmadock registers &
found Thomas & Janet in Kilmadock. Perhaps I should go to the LDS
Family History Center & see if I can find this on the CD's. I must
look for your last snail mail to me which came in Sept or Oct 1993.
As I remember you gave me the parents of John b. 1743 instead of 2
Johns b.1743 each with their own set of parents. There is a legend
that our ancestors came from Dumfriesshire during the Covenator's
Feud. I notice that you mention the covenant on page 4 of Journal 2
& mention it started just before chief John M'banks died in 1639.
Was it still going on in 1704 when the report says Thomas 1st appeared
in Kincardine parish? I just go to the LDS CDs & look for Thomas in
Kilmadock earlier. The report mentions Kilmadock parish as the home
of Helen Murdoch who was the undisputed mom of my Samuel M'banks &
it mentions Kilmadock as the home of Mart. Stewart disputed grandmom
of my Samuel M'banks, By the way, I also have a short report by
Scots Ancestry Res. Soc. done in 1974 on Helen Murdoch which said
they searched for her birth between 1740 & 1753 in Kilmadock,
Kincardine, Muthill, Dunblane, Lecropt, Port of Mentieth, & Callander
to no avail. I must look for that at the LDS also. I have done no
M'banks/Murdoch research in Scotland since 1974 & the CDs have come
out since then & may prove most helpful.
Bob, I await the addresses of the other descendants of my Samuel.
Another good by-product of going to the games & visiting ALL the
tents to get literature is, I found a M'banks of Thornhill Stirling
mentioned in the MacLaren newsletter. The bad news is since I picked
it up in May 1989, I have yet to snail a letter to the man querying.
I just never get to snailing.
Here's the query from the Dec. 1988 MacLaren Standard. Let me know
if you snail him, so I will know it's been done. He may not be worth
contacting & he may have moved. I was excited because it mentioned
a MacLaren with the middle name M'banks whose family was from my
ancestor's Thornhill near Stirling. By the way you remeber my Samuel's
tombstone here in Fairfield Co. said he was "a native of Stirlingshire
Scotland" just as this query refers to Thornhill as near Stirling rather
than mentioning Perthshire. Thornhill is now in Perthshire (until they
abolished the shires 16 May 1975), but I wonder if it used to be in
Stirlingshire as Samuel's tombstone indicates. The line (till 1975)
between Perth & Stirling shires west of Bridge of Allen was the River
Forth. From Hammond I see that Thornhill is only about 3 miles north
of said river. Checking the more detailed Times Atlas map it looks
like Thornhill is only 1.9 miles from the river & thus from
Stirlingshire. I certainly wonder why someone wrote on Samuel's stone
that he was a native of Stirlingshire.
Here's the query:
" Help!!!
We have received a letter from
Alan Calder from Surrey, Eng-
land. He is organizing the
centenary exhibition of the
Scottish architect, James Mar-
joribanks MacLaren 1853-1890,
for the Royal Institute of
British Architects in London in
1990. James MacLaren is a much
revered architect who influ-
enced, among others, Charles
Rennie MacKintosh. He is trying
to trace his grandchildren in
order to find his sketch books,
drawings, and a photograph of
him.
This branch of the MacLarens
came from the farm of Middleton
of Boquhapple, at Thornhill,
near Stirling in Scotland.
James' parents were the farmer
John MacLaren and Janet Downie
Middleton. James married Mar-
garet Mathieson MacColl in 1883
and they have five children.
James' two eldest children, the
twins John Leslie MacLaren and
James MacLaren were born in
1884. They were first in naval
engineering in Berhampstead in
Hertfordshire and then emigrated
to Southern California and be-
came cotton farmers.
Mr. Calder is looking for the
twins' children. If you have
any information his address is:
156 Stafford Road, Caterham,
Surrey, CR3 6JE, England."
I suspect these are M'banks descendants & if Mr. Calder found them in
California, he could give us their address & we could snail them.
Bob, please get us an account on the Tallahassee Freenet in the name
of Marbanks. I want GreenIII back sometime soon. If you don't have
time to do it, I will do it in your name, using your address if you
like.
Bob, did you see the article in the Highlander during the last 12
months on Marjoribanks? I read the article on barons that you sent
me xeroxed from the Highlander. It said the chief got to wear a
robe of estate to parliment which is "displayed behind their
achievement of arms together with the chapeau gules furred ermine,
which is the barons state head dress." page 61 col.1. Sir Crispin
also said that in 1751, Lord Bankton (a Lord of Session i.e. a law
Lord) & one of the Institutional Writers of Scots Law said that a
baron was baron as long as he owned the land but if he sold it
he ceased to be a baron. Bankton suggested "that if a baron disposed
of more than half his barony lands, that he ceased to be a baron"
Crispin says "It is therefore doubted that a barony can continue to
attach to less than half the lands, which were originally erected
into a barony, although in the past the Lyon Court has recognized
barons, who have held much less than half the former estate." So
there is hope for making our chief a baron?!!!! He'd be called
baron of Balbardie? It says you call a baron, Baron of Balbardie
& not Baron M'banks. Well, Bob, did I get out of reading the
article what you hoped I would? I think I have a letter from
Wm. Logan M'banks of that Ilk where he tells me that he's a feudal
lord & baron. I must look.
Bob, did you notice that last night I recommended to Mrs. Stroud
to order PAF from LDS & gave the 800 number 453-3860. I hope you
order PAF ($37).
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James W. Green III / home: Route 5, Box 720 / Winnsboro, SC 29180-9566
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